1 00:00:00,750 --> 00:00:12,549 [Music] 2 00:00:17,189 --> 00:00:14,789 we choose to go to the moon in this 3 00:00:19,590 --> 00:00:17,199 decade and do the other things not 4 00:00:21,740 --> 00:00:19,600 because they are easy but because they 5 00:00:44,270 --> 00:00:21,750 are hard 6 00:02:27,270 --> 00:00:58,250 [Music] 7 00:02:31,670 --> 00:02:29,750 so thanks for joining us today i'm janet 8 00:02:34,150 --> 00:02:31,680 petro director of the kennedy space 9 00:02:36,229 --> 00:02:34,160 center and i'm joined today virtually 10 00:02:37,990 --> 00:02:36,239 and in person with others who have also 11 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:38,000 had the honor of serving the kennedy 12 00:02:42,710 --> 00:02:40,640 space center in the same role 13 00:02:43,990 --> 00:02:42,720 allow me to introduce our guests today 14 00:02:45,190 --> 00:02:44,000 although they really don't need an 15 00:02:46,949 --> 00:02:45,200 introduction 16 00:02:49,670 --> 00:02:46,959 with me here in the studio is jay 17 00:02:52,070 --> 00:02:49,680 honeycutt who served as a sixth director 18 00:02:54,470 --> 00:02:52,080 and also bill parsons who is the ninth 19 00:02:56,229 --> 00:02:54,480 director and thanks to our future work 20 00:02:58,949 --> 00:02:56,239 environment we've been able to bring in 21 00:03:01,509 --> 00:02:58,959 virtually roy bridges the seventh 22 00:03:04,390 --> 00:03:01,519 director and finally bob cabana who is 23 00:03:07,270 --> 00:03:04,400 ksc's tenth director thank you all for 24 00:03:09,830 --> 00:03:07,280 joining the panel today 25 00:03:12,390 --> 00:03:09,840 as we celebrate our 60th anniversary we 26 00:03:13,990 --> 00:03:12,400 hope those at ksc are able to walk away 27 00:03:16,070 --> 00:03:14,000 with a better understanding of our 28 00:03:18,390 --> 00:03:16,080 history and the leaders who have made 29 00:03:20,949 --> 00:03:18,400 this spaceport what it is today 30 00:03:23,270 --> 00:03:20,959 so roy um let me ask you i've heard you 31 00:03:26,070 --> 00:03:23,280 were one of the first people to envision 32 00:03:27,910 --> 00:03:26,080 ksc becoming a spaceport back in the day 33 00:03:30,309 --> 00:03:27,920 and you did a major reorganization at 34 00:03:31,910 --> 00:03:30,319 ksc back in 2000 35 00:03:34,070 --> 00:03:31,920 can you share what was driving your 36 00:03:36,309 --> 00:03:34,080 thoughts and planning during that time 37 00:03:38,550 --> 00:03:36,319 and how you feel about where ksc is 38 00:03:41,830 --> 00:03:38,560 today being the multi-user spaceport 39 00:03:47,030 --> 00:03:44,229 yeah that was something that happened 40 00:03:48,789 --> 00:03:47,040 while we were having a an off site 41 00:03:51,670 --> 00:03:48,799 over a couple of days i went for an 42 00:03:53,990 --> 00:03:51,680 early morning run on the beach and 43 00:03:57,509 --> 00:03:54,000 we were looking for some vision of what 44 00:04:01,990 --> 00:03:57,519 ksc might become in the future and 45 00:04:04,229 --> 00:04:02,000 it just occurred to me that gosh 46 00:04:05,509 --> 00:04:04,239 we're just going to be one of many space 47 00:04:08,710 --> 00:04:05,519 ports 48 00:04:09,910 --> 00:04:08,720 what can we do to facilitate 49 00:04:12,550 --> 00:04:09,920 that 50 00:04:15,030 --> 00:04:12,560 what can we do in terms of 51 00:04:17,030 --> 00:04:15,040 research and development to make that 52 00:04:18,789 --> 00:04:17,040 more possible 53 00:04:22,069 --> 00:04:18,799 and today of course there's more than a 54 00:04:23,350 --> 00:04:22,079 dozen space sports in the us and 55 00:04:25,830 --> 00:04:23,360 many more 56 00:04:26,790 --> 00:04:25,840 totally around the world 57 00:04:29,990 --> 00:04:26,800 so 58 00:04:31,830 --> 00:04:30,000 i think that um 59 00:04:34,510 --> 00:04:31,840 doing that and thinking about this 60 00:04:37,830 --> 00:04:34,520 almost got me fired thinking about a 61 00:04:40,150 --> 00:04:37,840 multi-user spaceport 62 00:04:42,070 --> 00:04:40,160 the air force wanted to get rid of me 63 00:04:43,350 --> 00:04:42,080 because they didn't want to lose control 64 00:04:45,830 --> 00:04:43,360 of their 65 00:04:48,310 --> 00:04:45,840 land and station and everything like 66 00:04:49,189 --> 00:04:48,320 that but you see today 67 00:04:54,830 --> 00:04:49,199 what 68 00:04:58,230 --> 00:04:54,840 of people who followed me and that is 69 00:05:01,189 --> 00:04:58,240 that we not only have multi-users there 70 00:05:04,230 --> 00:05:01,199 of our spaceport but we have 71 00:05:07,510 --> 00:05:04,240 also an industrial park that people 72 00:05:09,110 --> 00:05:07,520 thought i was crazy to advocate 73 00:05:11,590 --> 00:05:09,120 and 74 00:05:13,430 --> 00:05:11,600 hundreds of jobs 75 00:05:15,830 --> 00:05:13,440 so it's great for them 76 00:05:19,029 --> 00:05:15,840 ksc and it's great for the community and 77 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:19,039 it's great for to advance our 78 00:05:23,029 --> 00:05:20,080 um 79 00:05:28,550 --> 00:05:25,270 capabilities 80 00:05:30,469 --> 00:05:28,560 you know roy thank you roy i was a gs 15 81 00:05:32,950 --> 00:05:30,479 back then when you were doing that and i 82 00:05:35,110 --> 00:05:32,960 was helping other people i was in small 83 00:05:36,790 --> 00:05:35,120 groups helping other people come up with 84 00:05:39,830 --> 00:05:36,800 some of the concepts and visions for 85 00:05:43,110 --> 00:05:39,840 that and i can honestly tell you 86 00:05:45,909 --> 00:05:43,120 we couldn't see what it would look like 87 00:05:47,830 --> 00:05:45,919 down the road but what an amazing 88 00:05:49,110 --> 00:05:47,840 concept you had and thought you had and 89 00:05:51,029 --> 00:05:49,120 vision you had 90 00:05:52,469 --> 00:05:51,039 and then you know really 91 00:05:54,469 --> 00:05:52,479 we needed 92 00:05:56,150 --> 00:05:54,479 bob cabana to kind of 93 00:05:57,270 --> 00:05:56,160 get into that place where we didn't have 94 00:05:59,189 --> 00:05:57,280 anything 95 00:06:01,430 --> 00:05:59,199 flying we didn't have a human space 96 00:06:03,110 --> 00:06:01,440 flight program really going at the time 97 00:06:05,590 --> 00:06:03,120 and he had to figure out other things to 98 00:06:07,670 --> 00:06:05,600 do and he was able to implement a lot of 99 00:06:10,309 --> 00:06:07,680 those points in that vision 100 00:06:11,830 --> 00:06:10,319 to make what happened happen so it was 101 00:06:15,670 --> 00:06:11,840 you know it's it's interesting that you 102 00:06:18,309 --> 00:06:15,680 go all the way from 2000 to 2022 103 00:06:20,550 --> 00:06:18,319 and you realize that in 22 years all the 104 00:06:22,870 --> 00:06:20,560 things we did that was that's just 105 00:06:24,790 --> 00:06:22,880 absolutely amazing great great vision 106 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:24,800 though yeah i think uh roy you were 107 00:06:29,270 --> 00:06:27,120 probably uh ahead of your time and then 108 00:06:30,790 --> 00:06:29,280 i think uh like bill you said after the 109 00:06:32,070 --> 00:06:30,800 fly out of the shuttle program the 110 00:06:34,469 --> 00:06:32,080 opportunity 111 00:06:37,029 --> 00:06:34,479 and the um environment within the 112 00:06:39,830 --> 00:06:37,039 commercial industry allowed 113 00:06:41,350 --> 00:06:39,840 bob to to kind of make that uh vision uh 114 00:06:43,749 --> 00:06:41,360 a reality 115 00:06:45,830 --> 00:06:43,759 um so bill let me ask you as you were 116 00:06:47,830 --> 00:06:45,840 leading kennedy as we were gearing up 117 00:06:49,270 --> 00:06:47,840 for the constellation program and then 118 00:06:51,189 --> 00:06:49,280 the shuttle program had already been 119 00:06:53,430 --> 00:06:51,199 approved to come to an end 120 00:06:55,430 --> 00:06:53,440 constellation which was a precursor to 121 00:06:58,230 --> 00:06:55,440 the artemis program was beginning its 122 00:07:00,710 --> 00:06:58,240 development and the orion spacecraft was 123 00:07:04,070 --> 00:07:00,720 designed for constellation how does it 124 00:07:06,230 --> 00:07:04,080 feel for you to see orion atop sls so 125 00:07:08,309 --> 00:07:06,240 close to taking its maiden voyage around 126 00:07:10,309 --> 00:07:08,319 the moon on the artemis program and and 127 00:07:11,110 --> 00:07:10,319 does it take you back 128 00:07:13,029 --> 00:07:11,120 well 129 00:07:13,909 --> 00:07:13,039 you know i was doing shuttle return to 130 00:07:16,309 --> 00:07:13,919 flight 131 00:07:19,029 --> 00:07:16,319 when sean o'keefe kind of came up with 132 00:07:21,510 --> 00:07:19,039 the vision a very simple vision is 133 00:07:24,390 --> 00:07:21,520 complete the international space station 134 00:07:27,350 --> 00:07:24,400 go back to the moon and on to mars and 135 00:07:29,909 --> 00:07:27,360 that was an easy concept but it we 136 00:07:32,309 --> 00:07:29,919 didn't know how we were going to do that 137 00:07:33,909 --> 00:07:32,319 the constellation program came around 138 00:07:36,070 --> 00:07:33,919 and you thought well okay this is going 139 00:07:38,469 --> 00:07:36,080 to be the first steps that we have and 140 00:07:40,309 --> 00:07:38,479 before you know it it's canceled and and 141 00:07:43,110 --> 00:07:40,319 you're not sure where we're going from 142 00:07:44,710 --> 00:07:43,120 there i'm amazed that 143 00:07:46,710 --> 00:07:44,720 sls 144 00:07:49,029 --> 00:07:46,720 got going that they've funded it that 145 00:07:51,110 --> 00:07:49,039 they've kept it funded for as long as 146 00:07:52,950 --> 00:07:51,120 they have and now the artemis is sitting 147 00:07:53,990 --> 00:07:52,960 out on the launch pad with orion sitting 148 00:07:55,990 --> 00:07:54,000 on top 149 00:07:57,749 --> 00:07:56,000 and and i was just talking to 150 00:07:59,670 --> 00:07:57,759 some of the folks that are uh that are 151 00:08:01,350 --> 00:07:59,680 doing the wet dress rehearsal 152 00:08:03,749 --> 00:08:01,360 and and they're just 153 00:08:05,110 --> 00:08:03,759 they're this close they're this close to 154 00:08:07,830 --> 00:08:05,120 getting this 155 00:08:10,629 --> 00:08:07,840 uh rocket off this off the pad 156 00:08:12,629 --> 00:08:10,639 and and i tell you it's gonna be amazing 157 00:08:14,550 --> 00:08:12,639 when we do and it's the beginning of 158 00:08:16,869 --> 00:08:14,560 another historical 159 00:08:19,189 --> 00:08:16,879 uh time in nasa where we're going to be 160 00:08:21,510 --> 00:08:19,199 going back to the moon and on to mars 161 00:08:23,510 --> 00:08:21,520 it's it's again one of those 162 00:08:25,029 --> 00:08:23,520 moments in time where we'll all look 163 00:08:27,270 --> 00:08:25,039 back and remember 164 00:08:30,070 --> 00:08:27,280 yep absolutely and i uh hear the 165 00:08:32,630 --> 00:08:30,080 excitement uh uh from the workforce uh 166 00:08:34,469 --> 00:08:32,640 here today about having on that vehicle 167 00:08:36,389 --> 00:08:34,479 at the pad looking forward to a 168 00:08:37,909 --> 00:08:36,399 successful uh wet dress and then and 169 00:08:40,870 --> 00:08:37,919 then the launch as you said is gonna be 170 00:08:42,630 --> 00:08:40,880 very exciting so bob i think you were in 171 00:08:45,110 --> 00:08:42,640 charge when consolation was canceled and 172 00:08:47,990 --> 00:08:45,120 that really was not a very fun time uh 173 00:08:49,670 --> 00:08:48,000 in the agency's history you also had the 174 00:08:52,389 --> 00:08:49,680 distinction of being the longest serving 175 00:08:54,550 --> 00:08:52,399 director in kennedy history your 10-year 176 00:08:56,470 --> 00:08:54,560 span the end of the shuttle program and 177 00:08:59,190 --> 00:08:56,480 a transition from a government-only 178 00:09:00,870 --> 00:08:59,200 facility to the multi-user spaceport so 179 00:09:02,630 --> 00:09:00,880 what was your philosophy in leading the 180 00:09:06,070 --> 00:09:02,640 center through one of the biggest 181 00:09:07,110 --> 00:09:06,080 changes in its history 182 00:09:08,630 --> 00:09:07,120 so 183 00:09:11,110 --> 00:09:08,640 you know first off 184 00:09:13,030 --> 00:09:11,120 an amazing team just absolutely 185 00:09:14,710 --> 00:09:13,040 privileged to have led such an amazing 186 00:09:16,070 --> 00:09:14,720 team and build that team 187 00:09:19,350 --> 00:09:16,080 you know i don't know if you remember 188 00:09:21,990 --> 00:09:19,360 but when i got to uh ksc in uh october 189 00:09:23,829 --> 00:09:22,000 of 2008 we still had 190 00:09:25,990 --> 00:09:23,839 12 shuttle missions we had to play out 191 00:09:27,670 --> 00:09:26,000 in my first all hands i said the shuttle 192 00:09:29,430 --> 00:09:27,680 program is going to end we have to start 193 00:09:30,949 --> 00:09:29,440 planning for our future 194 00:09:33,030 --> 00:09:30,959 and and nobody wanted to hear that 195 00:09:35,350 --> 00:09:33,040 everybody hates change but we can't get 196 00:09:38,310 --> 00:09:35,360 better without change and 197 00:09:41,030 --> 00:09:38,320 we had to start then and i think the 198 00:09:43,590 --> 00:09:41,040 hardest thing that we had to do was get 199 00:09:46,470 --> 00:09:43,600 everybody to own that vision for the 200 00:09:49,269 --> 00:09:46,480 future of what we could become you know 201 00:09:52,150 --> 00:09:49,279 roy had it back you know 202 00:09:55,269 --> 00:09:52,160 eight ten years before i got to uh to 203 00:09:56,949 --> 00:09:55,279 ksc but then being able to actually 204 00:09:58,630 --> 00:09:56,959 implement it having that fortune 205 00:10:01,030 --> 00:09:58,640 function of the shuttle coming to an end 206 00:10:01,750 --> 00:10:01,040 and then constellation being cancelled i 207 00:10:04,710 --> 00:10:01,760 mean 208 00:10:06,389 --> 00:10:04,720 man morel was at an all-time low at the 209 00:10:09,030 --> 00:10:06,399 end of the shuttle program i mean we 210 00:10:11,670 --> 00:10:09,040 laid off we went from a workforce of 15 211 00:10:13,670 --> 00:10:11,680 000 down to 7 500 in less than two years 212 00:10:15,110 --> 00:10:13,680 and it was a tough time 213 00:10:17,430 --> 00:10:15,120 but i i think 214 00:10:19,670 --> 00:10:17,440 having that team come together 215 00:10:21,910 --> 00:10:19,680 having a vision for the future and 216 00:10:24,710 --> 00:10:21,920 clearly communicating that vision to the 217 00:10:27,829 --> 00:10:24,720 team and then as we iterated it every 218 00:10:29,829 --> 00:10:27,839 year refining it and moving forward to 219 00:10:32,470 --> 00:10:29,839 try and implement it but i think the key 220 00:10:33,829 --> 00:10:32,480 thing there is you know it comes down to 221 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:33,839 taking care of your people servant 222 00:10:37,350 --> 00:10:35,760 leadership putting the welfare of the 223 00:10:39,350 --> 00:10:37,360 team above your own 224 00:10:41,430 --> 00:10:39,360 communicating a clear vision for the 225 00:10:43,350 --> 00:10:41,440 future and getting the team to own that 226 00:10:45,110 --> 00:10:43,360 vision you can't direct it 227 00:10:47,190 --> 00:10:45,120 the team has to own it if you're really 228 00:10:48,870 --> 00:10:47,200 going to implement change and then 229 00:10:51,190 --> 00:10:48,880 then iterating it 230 00:10:53,350 --> 00:10:51,200 year by year moving forward so 231 00:10:54,949 --> 00:10:53,360 you know i i guess the 232 00:10:56,630 --> 00:10:54,959 the thing i would say is 233 00:10:58,069 --> 00:10:56,640 it comes down to 234 00:10:59,350 --> 00:10:58,079 getting the right people and the right 235 00:11:00,870 --> 00:10:59,360 jobs 236 00:11:03,509 --> 00:11:00,880 providing them clear direction on what 237 00:11:06,550 --> 00:11:03,519 you want to have happen letting them own 238 00:11:08,550 --> 00:11:06,560 that making sure they have the resources 239 00:11:10,389 --> 00:11:08,560 to be successful and then and turn them 240 00:11:12,630 --> 00:11:10,399 loose put their welfare above your own 241 00:11:14,470 --> 00:11:12,640 and have a have a clear vision of what 242 00:11:16,870 --> 00:11:14,480 you want to accomplish 243 00:11:19,509 --> 00:11:16,880 well and let me add let me add something 244 00:11:23,350 --> 00:11:19,519 there you know one of the things that 245 00:11:25,590 --> 00:11:23,360 i i know jay roy bob all of us know is 246 00:11:27,190 --> 00:11:25,600 that you're a member of this community 247 00:11:29,190 --> 00:11:27,200 and one of the hardest things in the 248 00:11:30,949 --> 00:11:29,200 world is to go to the publix and 249 00:11:32,790 --> 00:11:30,959 somebody walk up to you and say when am 250 00:11:34,550 --> 00:11:32,800 i when is my job coming to an end when 251 00:11:36,389 --> 00:11:34,560 am i going to get laid off 252 00:11:37,829 --> 00:11:36,399 and and i tell you 253 00:11:40,230 --> 00:11:37,839 i didn't have the 254 00:11:42,630 --> 00:11:40,240 i don't know if i had the 255 00:11:45,110 --> 00:11:42,640 courage to keep answering that question 256 00:11:46,550 --> 00:11:45,120 and for bob to come in and do that 257 00:11:48,710 --> 00:11:46,560 and and 258 00:11:49,829 --> 00:11:48,720 close down the shuttle program and move 259 00:11:52,550 --> 00:11:49,839 to the next 260 00:11:54,790 --> 00:11:52,560 um what whatever the future was was 261 00:11:58,949 --> 00:11:54,800 coming that was amazing because 262 00:12:01,509 --> 00:11:58,959 um it is not an easy thing to do to to 263 00:12:04,150 --> 00:12:01,519 lay off 7 500 people i mean my goodness 264 00:12:07,509 --> 00:12:04,160 that that's difficult 265 00:12:09,430 --> 00:12:07,519 absolutely thank you for that uh 266 00:12:10,790 --> 00:12:09,440 bill and it was it was a challenging it 267 00:12:12,150 --> 00:12:10,800 was a challenging time and i can 268 00:12:14,310 --> 00:12:12,160 remember also 269 00:12:16,310 --> 00:12:14,320 at the grocery store people uh 270 00:12:18,389 --> 00:12:16,320 would say wait i thought nasa went away 271 00:12:21,030 --> 00:12:18,399 or i thought kennedy was uh closed and 272 00:12:23,430 --> 00:12:21,040 so how how you kept that messaging that 273 00:12:26,310 --> 00:12:23,440 no there was a bright future out there 274 00:12:29,509 --> 00:12:26,320 and working towards that bright future 275 00:12:31,670 --> 00:12:29,519 um roy let me go to you so you led ksc 276 00:12:32,870 --> 00:12:31,680 ksc through the loss and the recovery of 277 00:12:34,470 --> 00:12:32,880 colombia 278 00:12:36,470 --> 00:12:34,480 what are some of the things that have 279 00:12:38,470 --> 00:12:36,480 stayed with you regarding those the 280 00:12:41,110 --> 00:12:38,480 challenges of those days and the months 281 00:12:42,870 --> 00:12:41,120 of leading ksc through a another 282 00:12:48,710 --> 00:12:42,880 emotional period of dealing with the 283 00:12:54,470 --> 00:12:51,670 that was a very very tough time 284 00:12:59,670 --> 00:12:57,509 i spent a lot of time walking around to 285 00:13:03,350 --> 00:12:59,680 all of the shops 286 00:13:05,910 --> 00:13:03,360 and people there were mourning 287 00:13:08,230 --> 00:13:05,920 and their feelings were really right out 288 00:13:10,470 --> 00:13:08,240 there on their sleeve i mean you know 289 00:13:11,829 --> 00:13:10,480 for zappo i went to the shop where they 290 00:13:13,350 --> 00:13:11,839 were 291 00:13:14,949 --> 00:13:13,360 sewing the 292 00:13:17,430 --> 00:13:14,959 fabric the 293 00:13:20,470 --> 00:13:17,440 heat shielding fabric on the shuttle and 294 00:13:25,269 --> 00:13:20,480 they felt like they had had some 295 00:13:27,910 --> 00:13:25,279 role in causing the colombia to go down 296 00:13:30,550 --> 00:13:27,920 and i told them i said look we will get 297 00:13:33,590 --> 00:13:30,560 to the bottom of this 298 00:13:37,350 --> 00:13:33,600 and we did we had an amazing team from 299 00:13:39,430 --> 00:13:37,360 ksc supplemented by folks from many 300 00:13:41,110 --> 00:13:39,440 federal agencies and other centers that 301 00:13:43,990 --> 00:13:41,120 went out and 302 00:13:45,910 --> 00:13:44,000 basically found all the pieces of 303 00:13:49,189 --> 00:13:45,920 colombia 304 00:13:52,389 --> 00:13:49,199 and we brought those pieces home 305 00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:52,399 and we laid them out in the floor of 306 00:14:00,870 --> 00:13:57,949 found out 307 00:14:02,310 --> 00:14:00,880 conclusively exactly what happened and 308 00:14:04,230 --> 00:14:02,320 of course you all know the answer i 309 00:14:06,550 --> 00:14:04,240 won't get into that 310 00:14:08,629 --> 00:14:06,560 but i thought as a healing 311 00:14:10,470 --> 00:14:08,639 measure 312 00:14:12,710 --> 00:14:10,480 after we had finished all of the 313 00:14:16,069 --> 00:14:12,720 recovery 314 00:14:17,189 --> 00:14:16,079 i had all of the people come out to that 315 00:14:19,110 --> 00:14:17,199 hangar 316 00:14:22,870 --> 00:14:19,120 on buses 317 00:14:25,430 --> 00:14:22,880 and walk through that wreckage 318 00:14:29,110 --> 00:14:25,440 so that they could see 319 00:14:32,550 --> 00:14:29,120 that we brought colombia home 320 00:14:36,069 --> 00:14:32,560 and we learn from it 321 00:14:37,910 --> 00:14:36,079 and we put those pieces up in the 322 00:14:40,870 --> 00:14:37,920 vab 323 00:14:43,350 --> 00:14:40,880 well organized so that we could support 324 00:14:45,110 --> 00:14:43,360 research and other 325 00:14:47,670 --> 00:14:45,120 endeavors 326 00:14:50,150 --> 00:14:47,680 in future years 327 00:14:53,509 --> 00:14:50,160 and i got credit a lot of this uh leader 328 00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:53,519 of our team was mike leinbach 329 00:14:58,470 --> 00:14:55,519 did a great job and he 330 00:14:59,910 --> 00:14:58,480 wrote up a lot of the details of this in 331 00:15:02,710 --> 00:14:59,920 a book 332 00:15:05,189 --> 00:15:02,720 called bringing columbia home 333 00:15:08,629 --> 00:15:05,199 a very emotional time and 334 00:15:12,790 --> 00:15:08,639 just to cap this off 335 00:15:15,269 --> 00:15:12,800 we had a memorial service for the people 336 00:15:17,750 --> 00:15:15,279 we lost on columbia 337 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:17,760 out at the slf 338 00:15:22,629 --> 00:15:20,320 a lot of people from the center as well 339 00:15:24,829 --> 00:15:22,639 as you know even the governor of florida 340 00:15:27,430 --> 00:15:24,839 and all the other 341 00:15:30,310 --> 00:15:27,440 dignitaries and i remember that morning 342 00:15:32,230 --> 00:15:30,320 the weather was a little shaky and of 343 00:15:35,590 --> 00:15:32,240 course i had the world's best weather 344 00:15:37,670 --> 00:15:35,600 officer uh john maduro 345 00:15:39,509 --> 00:15:37,680 i got his feeling on hey is it gonna 346 00:15:41,110 --> 00:15:39,519 rain do we need to do this inside 347 00:15:43,990 --> 00:15:41,120 because i really wanted to do it on the 348 00:15:45,749 --> 00:15:44,000 runway gonna get the full effect of this 349 00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:45,759 and 350 00:15:48,949 --> 00:15:47,360 i finally decided we'll put on the 351 00:15:51,350 --> 00:15:48,959 runway come 352 00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:51,360 whatever and i'm sitting there and we're 353 00:15:56,470 --> 00:15:53,440 just getting started and i'm in the 354 00:15:58,550 --> 00:15:56,480 audience facing the governor of florida 355 00:16:01,749 --> 00:15:58,560 and a big raindrop hit me right on top 356 00:16:04,870 --> 00:16:01,759 of my head and i kind of flinched 357 00:16:05,990 --> 00:16:04,880 and governor florida had a big smile and 358 00:16:08,150 --> 00:16:06,000 i just 359 00:16:10,150 --> 00:16:08,160 put my hands up it you know it is what 360 00:16:12,230 --> 00:16:10,160 it is 361 00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:12,240 then at the exact time that columbia was 362 00:16:16,470 --> 00:16:13,680 supposed to land 363 00:16:18,150 --> 00:16:16,480 four t-38s came out of the fog right 364 00:16:21,670 --> 00:16:18,160 down the runway and 365 00:16:22,949 --> 00:16:21,680 pulled up into a missing man formation 366 00:16:24,870 --> 00:16:22,959 and i'll tell you 367 00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:24,880 very tough to keep my composure at that 368 00:16:33,269 --> 00:16:30,870 hey thank you for uh sharing that roy i 369 00:16:35,590 --> 00:16:33,279 know to this day um members of the 370 00:16:37,990 --> 00:16:35,600 workforce proudly talk about being a 371 00:16:39,430 --> 00:16:38,000 part of that recovery operation 372 00:16:41,670 --> 00:16:39,440 um and also 373 00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:41,680 as you know the columbia room is still 374 00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:44,000 open and there's a lot of interest and 375 00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:46,160 we have a lot of even our commercial 376 00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:48,240 partners want to go and kind of walk 377 00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:49,040 through 378 00:16:52,949 --> 00:16:50,160 and 379 00:16:55,350 --> 00:16:52,959 learn that lesson you know reflect on 380 00:16:57,509 --> 00:16:55,360 the job that they have at hand 381 00:17:01,269 --> 00:16:57,519 particularly in launching humans to 382 00:17:03,030 --> 00:17:01,279 space so thank you for um sharing that 383 00:17:04,949 --> 00:17:03,040 let me see hey janet i'd like to tip it 384 00:17:06,390 --> 00:17:04,959 in a little bit on that 385 00:17:07,350 --> 00:17:06,400 so uh 386 00:17:09,350 --> 00:17:07,360 you know 387 00:17:12,470 --> 00:17:09,360 i look back on it that was just a 388 00:17:14,710 --> 00:17:12,480 tremendously hard time and at the time 389 00:17:17,029 --> 00:17:14,720 we lost columbia i was the director of 390 00:17:19,909 --> 00:17:17,039 flight crew operations at 391 00:17:21,909 --> 00:17:19,919 jsc you know i will never forget being 392 00:17:22,949 --> 00:17:21,919 out at midfield waiting for columbia to 393 00:17:28,230 --> 00:17:22,959 come home 394 00:17:31,220 --> 00:17:28,240 and i did not realize how much that 395 00:17:33,029 --> 00:17:31,230 impacted me and affected me 396 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:33,039 [Music] 397 00:17:36,630 --> 00:17:34,880 from that time forward 398 00:17:39,350 --> 00:17:36,640 but one of the things that i'm so proud 399 00:17:40,630 --> 00:17:39,360 of as the director of ksc is forever 400 00:17:45,909 --> 00:17:40,640 remembered 401 00:17:48,310 --> 00:17:45,919 atlantis facility in honoring uh the 402 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:48,320 crews a challenger in colombia 403 00:17:52,950 --> 00:17:49,760 and having 404 00:17:55,510 --> 00:17:52,960 that flight hardware displayed and and 405 00:17:57,110 --> 00:17:55,520 seeing the recovery and telling the 406 00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:57,120 story of all the crew members and what 407 00:18:01,430 --> 00:17:59,280 happened and how we rose above it 408 00:18:04,150 --> 00:18:01,440 and when the families came and toured 409 00:18:05,430 --> 00:18:04,160 that that that brought healing to me and 410 00:18:08,390 --> 00:18:05,440 i i just 411 00:18:10,230 --> 00:18:08,400 what uh roy the way we treated colombia 412 00:18:11,830 --> 00:18:10,240 it was so different from challenger and 413 00:18:14,470 --> 00:18:11,840 having it uh 414 00:18:16,230 --> 00:18:14,480 having it secured in the vehicle 415 00:18:18,789 --> 00:18:16,240 assembly building and bringing people 416 00:18:20,710 --> 00:18:18,799 through and helping folks learn from it 417 00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:20,720 i think that was really important so my 418 00:18:25,190 --> 00:18:23,280 hat's off to you for helping make that 419 00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:25,200 happen and i i just 420 00:18:30,549 --> 00:18:28,240 forever remember it is is really special 421 00:18:31,990 --> 00:18:30,559 hey hey janet i got a i got a question 422 00:18:32,950 --> 00:18:32,000 for you you know 423 00:18:35,510 --> 00:18:32,960 um 424 00:18:37,909 --> 00:18:35,520 we went through a pretty phenomenal 425 00:18:41,110 --> 00:18:37,919 transition together from the end of the 426 00:18:43,830 --> 00:18:41,120 shuttle to be in this multi-user 427 00:18:45,909 --> 00:18:43,840 spaceport that ksc is today and it's 428 00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:45,919 pretty amazing the long trade down there 429 00:18:49,270 --> 00:18:47,679 what what do you think about this 430 00:18:51,430 --> 00:18:49,280 increasing launch rate and what do you 431 00:18:53,350 --> 00:18:51,440 see for the future of ksc beyond where 432 00:18:55,270 --> 00:18:53,360 we are now 433 00:18:57,909 --> 00:18:55,280 well thank you bob for that question uh 434 00:19:01,029 --> 00:18:57,919 i'll start by saying we are super busy 435 00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:01,039 at uh ksc and the multi-user spaceport 436 00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,280 um as you mentioned we had uh 31 437 00:19:07,830 --> 00:19:05,440 launches last year and as as you all 438 00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:07,840 know we support every single launch 439 00:19:12,230 --> 00:19:10,000 whether it's on our property or on the 440 00:19:13,510 --> 00:19:12,240 property of the space force across uh 441 00:19:16,070 --> 00:19:13,520 the river 442 00:19:18,950 --> 00:19:16,080 um so we had 31 last year we have 67 443 00:19:20,390 --> 00:19:18,960 this year and it is um i i firmly 444 00:19:22,549 --> 00:19:20,400 believe that within the next couple 445 00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:22,559 years we will be over 100 launches a 446 00:19:26,390 --> 00:19:24,640 year which you know a couple even five 447 00:19:27,830 --> 00:19:26,400 years ago would have been 448 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:27,840 unthinkable to think we would be 449 00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,679 supporting that many um 450 00:19:33,909 --> 00:19:31,520 launches but we have a whole bunch of 451 00:19:36,390 --> 00:19:33,919 partners with a whole bunch of interest 452 00:19:38,549 --> 00:19:36,400 in launching from our multi-user 453 00:19:39,990 --> 00:19:38,559 spaceport so our job is to make sure 454 00:19:42,230 --> 00:19:40,000 that we're supporting all of them 455 00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:42,240 whether it's the nasa programs or 456 00:19:45,190 --> 00:19:44,000 commercial partners 457 00:19:47,430 --> 00:19:45,200 in doing their 458 00:19:50,630 --> 00:19:47,440 launch and processing operations 459 00:19:53,669 --> 00:19:50,640 successfully what i really see happening 460 00:19:56,630 --> 00:19:53,679 even today is a consolidation of a lot 461 00:19:59,270 --> 00:19:56,640 of those uh processing operations at the 462 00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:59,280 kennedy space center a lot of companies 463 00:20:03,909 --> 00:20:00,960 are thinking that they can bring their 464 00:20:05,110 --> 00:20:03,919 processing operations closer to the 465 00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:05,120 launch head 466 00:20:09,190 --> 00:20:06,400 then it becomes 467 00:20:11,110 --> 00:20:09,200 very uh much more efficient than if they 468 00:20:12,630 --> 00:20:11,120 process elements 469 00:20:14,870 --> 00:20:12,640 and then transport them down to the 470 00:20:16,630 --> 00:20:14,880 kennedy space center so you'll see 471 00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:16,640 blue origin 472 00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:17,840 i think it was 473 00:20:22,630 --> 00:20:20,559 roy mentioned an industrial park outside 474 00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:22,640 exploration park they they have a number 475 00:20:26,230 --> 00:20:24,240 of manufacturing facilities that 476 00:20:29,669 --> 00:20:26,240 dominate the landscape 477 00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:29,679 and within our controlled space uh here 478 00:20:33,990 --> 00:20:31,679 down at roberts road spacex is doing the 479 00:20:36,549 --> 00:20:34,000 same thing with their falcon 9 480 00:20:38,630 --> 00:20:36,559 refurbishment their faring recovery and 481 00:20:40,870 --> 00:20:38,640 their starship operations um that they 482 00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,880 are moving here consolidating 483 00:20:45,669 --> 00:20:43,600 their processing operations here on our 484 00:20:48,390 --> 00:20:45,679 center and artemis is doing the same 485 00:20:50,390 --> 00:20:48,400 thing there's a huge interest in the sls 486 00:20:52,710 --> 00:20:50,400 program and other elements of the 487 00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:52,720 artemis program to bring them here to 488 00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:54,080 the space center 489 00:20:58,390 --> 00:20:56,159 and process them here 490 00:21:00,789 --> 00:20:58,400 instead of at the remote location so as 491 00:21:04,070 --> 00:21:00,799 we go forward that's what i see more and 492 00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,080 more of is a consolidation of operations 493 00:21:08,310 --> 00:21:07,039 here and our job it's a big job still is 494 00:21:10,710 --> 00:21:08,320 to support 495 00:21:12,070 --> 00:21:10,720 and ensure that our nasa programs are 496 00:21:13,909 --> 00:21:12,080 successful 497 00:21:16,149 --> 00:21:13,919 and we rely on our commercial partners 498 00:21:17,830 --> 00:21:16,159 as part of the artemis program going 499 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:17,840 forward so we've got to be successful uh 500 00:21:26,149 --> 00:21:23,669 okay so 501 00:21:28,950 --> 00:21:26,159 thank you bob for that question um so 502 00:21:31,430 --> 00:21:28,960 let me ask this uh when you assumed the 503 00:21:33,350 --> 00:21:31,440 position of center director did anybody 504 00:21:35,270 --> 00:21:33,360 give you one nugget of wisdom that 505 00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,280 helped set the stage for 506 00:21:41,669 --> 00:21:38,480 a new role and and leadership what 507 00:21:43,909 --> 00:21:41,679 wisdom did you pass on to your successor 508 00:21:45,590 --> 00:21:43,919 successor and bill i'm going to ask you 509 00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:45,600 and i'm going to keep you honest because 510 00:21:50,630 --> 00:21:49,120 uh you know i was there 511 00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:50,640 yes you were 512 00:21:54,870 --> 00:21:52,559 you know probably 513 00:21:57,270 --> 00:21:54,880 i've gotten it first of all let me take 514 00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:57,280 this occasion to to say what an honor 515 00:22:01,270 --> 00:21:59,120 and privilege it is to be here with 516 00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:01,280 these center directors 517 00:22:04,950 --> 00:22:02,960 um and former center directors and 518 00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:04,960 center director of the kennedy space 519 00:22:08,870 --> 00:22:06,320 center um 520 00:22:10,549 --> 00:22:08,880 not only have they been my mentors 521 00:22:12,310 --> 00:22:10,559 throughout my career 522 00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:12,320 they've been my friends and they've been 523 00:22:16,149 --> 00:22:14,159 my colleagues and and i can just tell 524 00:22:18,870 --> 00:22:16,159 you each and every one of them have 525 00:22:20,710 --> 00:22:18,880 provided me with advice and guidance 526 00:22:21,669 --> 00:22:20,720 throughout my life and throughout my 527 00:22:22,789 --> 00:22:21,679 career 528 00:22:25,590 --> 00:22:22,799 um 529 00:22:27,430 --> 00:22:25,600 really really tell you that that i i 530 00:22:28,470 --> 00:22:27,440 really appreciate each and every one of 531 00:22:31,029 --> 00:22:28,480 you and all the things you've 532 00:22:33,110 --> 00:22:31,039 accomplished and helped me accomplish 533 00:22:35,270 --> 00:22:33,120 throughout this uh this time 534 00:22:37,190 --> 00:22:35,280 the the one thing i would say is 535 00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:37,200 jay honeycutt probably had more 536 00:22:41,750 --> 00:22:40,000 influence over me than most and i spent 537 00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,760 a lot of time with jay jay 538 00:22:46,549 --> 00:22:44,159 asked me to be his management intern 539 00:22:48,230 --> 00:22:46,559 and he told me at the time he said 540 00:22:50,470 --> 00:22:48,240 bill this is a 541 00:22:52,789 --> 00:22:50,480 maybe a six month assignment if it's 542 00:22:54,310 --> 00:22:52,799 four months don't get your feelings hurt 543 00:22:55,110 --> 00:22:54,320 if it's eight months don't get the big 544 00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:55,120 head 545 00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:57,039 and so uh you know that was kind of the 546 00:23:00,230 --> 00:22:57,919 first 547 00:23:02,070 --> 00:23:00,240 part of that it turned out that at that 548 00:23:04,230 --> 00:23:02,080 period of time in his career jay was 549 00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:04,240 getting ready to be asked to take over 550 00:23:07,110 --> 00:23:05,679 from bob crippen and be the center 551 00:23:09,110 --> 00:23:07,120 director 552 00:23:10,870 --> 00:23:09,120 and jay asked me to stay on a little bit 553 00:23:13,110 --> 00:23:10,880 longer so i spent 554 00:23:14,149 --> 00:23:13,120 a long period of time with jay getting 555 00:23:16,549 --> 00:23:14,159 to watch 556 00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:16,559 how nasa worked and the inner workings 557 00:23:20,470 --> 00:23:18,960 of the leadership of nasa he introduced 558 00:23:23,750 --> 00:23:20,480 me to some of the 559 00:23:25,590 --> 00:23:23,760 finest people i'll ever ever know and 560 00:23:27,430 --> 00:23:25,600 and people that helped my career from 561 00:23:28,789 --> 00:23:27,440 that point forward but i i think the 562 00:23:31,190 --> 00:23:28,799 biggest 563 00:23:33,510 --> 00:23:31,200 thing i learned from jay was tell me how 564 00:23:35,830 --> 00:23:33,520 you can not why you can't and i i think 565 00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:35,840 we all a lot of his management interns 566 00:23:39,190 --> 00:23:37,039 as bubbas 567 00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:39,200 all can say that one because we all 568 00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,760 remember that was beat into us is tell 569 00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:44,080 me how you can not why you can't it 570 00:23:47,590 --> 00:23:46,080 might be that he can't afford it or we 571 00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,600 can't 572 00:23:51,990 --> 00:23:49,600 we don't have enough time to do it but 573 00:23:54,310 --> 00:23:52,000 there's a way to do it just tell me the 574 00:23:56,470 --> 00:23:54,320 way to do it and then i'll decide if if 575 00:23:59,430 --> 00:23:56,480 we can do if we do it or if we don't do 576 00:24:01,990 --> 00:23:59,440 it and so we approached a lot of 577 00:24:04,390 --> 00:24:02,000 problems in a lot of situations 578 00:24:06,070 --> 00:24:04,400 with that philosophy in mind so that 579 00:24:08,950 --> 00:24:06,080 that was the one piece that i got yeah 580 00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:08,960 the yes if uh answer instead of uh no we 581 00:24:13,510 --> 00:24:10,880 can't do it it's uh leaning forward so 582 00:24:15,669 --> 00:24:13,520 jay uh any nuggets of wisdom uh that you 583 00:24:18,789 --> 00:24:15,679 got from mentors or you want to pass on 584 00:24:22,310 --> 00:24:18,799 well my biggest mentor was 585 00:24:24,070 --> 00:24:22,320 george abbey adam houston who was the 586 00:24:27,110 --> 00:24:24,080 director of 587 00:24:29,350 --> 00:24:27,120 the johnson center for a number of years 588 00:24:30,549 --> 00:24:29,360 and who i've served as a management 589 00:24:32,950 --> 00:24:30,559 intern 590 00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:32,960 for and george 591 00:24:36,630 --> 00:24:34,880 i learned more from him than anybody 592 00:24:38,310 --> 00:24:36,640 else i ever worked for 593 00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:38,320 i i tried to 594 00:24:42,310 --> 00:24:40,080 implement some of it 595 00:24:43,110 --> 00:24:42,320 i wasn't capable of implementing all of 596 00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,120 the 597 00:24:46,470 --> 00:24:45,360 things that he was able to do but 598 00:24:48,470 --> 00:24:46,480 but 599 00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,480 if i needed help i pretty much got it 600 00:24:54,549 --> 00:24:50,240 from him 601 00:24:58,070 --> 00:24:55,510 well 602 00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,080 the thing that stuck with me 603 00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:00,720 the most is 604 00:25:04,710 --> 00:25:02,640 a little saying 605 00:25:06,710 --> 00:25:04,720 if you're not successful on the first 606 00:25:10,310 --> 00:25:06,720 try 607 00:25:12,950 --> 00:25:10,320 and that 608 00:25:16,070 --> 00:25:12,960 was uh really 609 00:25:18,149 --> 00:25:16,080 i i i saw that in my life because i 610 00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,159 wanted to be an aviator i wanted to be a 611 00:25:23,669 --> 00:25:21,360 test pilot i wanted to be an astronaut 612 00:25:26,149 --> 00:25:23,679 and at pilot training my first nine 613 00:25:30,149 --> 00:25:26,159 flights i got a fair which is just one 614 00:25:33,830 --> 00:25:30,159 step above you know failing 615 00:25:35,830 --> 00:25:33,840 my tenth flight was a washout check ride 616 00:25:38,470 --> 00:25:35,840 i got an excellent on that ride and i 617 00:25:39,669 --> 00:25:38,480 never looked back 618 00:25:42,149 --> 00:25:39,679 so 619 00:25:45,750 --> 00:25:42,159 i think that's true in 620 00:25:49,190 --> 00:25:45,760 all of our lives in that we're going to 621 00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:49,200 run into some difficult situations 622 00:25:53,029 --> 00:25:51,919 and it may take a couple of tries before 623 00:25:55,110 --> 00:25:53,039 we 624 00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,120 get it right 625 00:25:59,350 --> 00:25:56,880 and of course 626 00:26:02,390 --> 00:25:59,360 as people have already said on 627 00:26:04,950 --> 00:26:02,400 uh here this morning that 628 00:26:07,590 --> 00:26:04,960 it's a team effort 629 00:26:09,510 --> 00:26:07,600 so it's the team getting it right that 630 00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,520 at the end of the day makes the biggest 631 00:26:12,230 --> 00:26:10,799 difference 632 00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:12,240 thank you 633 00:26:19,909 --> 00:26:17,520 you'd like to add 634 00:26:23,830 --> 00:26:19,919 well you know i've been uh privileged to 635 00:26:25,350 --> 00:26:23,840 work uh for so many uh great leaders 636 00:26:28,070 --> 00:26:25,360 over the years 637 00:26:30,230 --> 00:26:28,080 um i think you know i look back on some 638 00:26:32,710 --> 00:26:30,240 center directors that aren't here and 639 00:26:34,470 --> 00:26:32,720 forest mccartney was someone that 640 00:26:36,830 --> 00:26:34,480 was really looked up to 641 00:26:39,750 --> 00:26:36,840 when he was leading the kennedy space 642 00:26:41,830 --> 00:26:39,760 center and i i think one of the biggest 643 00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:41,840 things that i took away from what i saw 644 00:26:46,630 --> 00:26:43,919 with forbes and what i've gotten from 645 00:26:49,510 --> 00:26:46,640 other leaders is that you really need to 646 00:26:52,710 --> 00:26:49,520 get out of that corner office you can't 647 00:26:55,029 --> 00:26:52,720 run a center you can't be a leader 648 00:26:57,510 --> 00:26:55,039 sitting in meetings all the time 649 00:26:59,510 --> 00:26:57,520 you have to get out and meet the people 650 00:27:01,430 --> 00:26:59,520 you have to talk to them you have to 651 00:27:04,789 --> 00:27:01,440 allow them to show you what they're 652 00:27:06,870 --> 00:27:04,799 doing you have to genuinely care about 653 00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:06,880 the health and welfare of the team that 654 00:27:12,710 --> 00:27:09,360 you're privileged to lead and i i think 655 00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,720 that more than anything uh i i hope you 656 00:27:15,909 --> 00:27:14,559 know that's how i'm remembered 657 00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:15,919 at ksc 658 00:27:20,470 --> 00:27:18,799 that i genuinely cared about the team 659 00:27:23,190 --> 00:27:20,480 and helped us move forward under some 660 00:27:23,990 --> 00:27:23,200 difficult circumstances and i go along 661 00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,000 with 662 00:27:29,029 --> 00:27:26,799 what roy said is in in judging people 663 00:27:31,110 --> 00:27:29,039 the people that work for you 664 00:27:33,269 --> 00:27:31,120 not everybody's going to be successful 665 00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,279 on the first try and the true measure of 666 00:27:37,269 --> 00:27:35,200 a person is not the mistakes that he or 667 00:27:39,029 --> 00:27:37,279 she makes it's how did they respond to 668 00:27:40,870 --> 00:27:39,039 them do they let them mire them down in 669 00:27:43,029 --> 00:27:40,880 a mug or do they rise above them and go 670 00:27:44,870 --> 00:27:43,039 on to do greater things 671 00:27:46,710 --> 00:27:44,880 and uh you know 672 00:27:49,350 --> 00:27:46,720 yeah you got to be 673 00:27:50,789 --> 00:27:49,360 you got gotta challenge folks okay and 674 00:27:52,789 --> 00:27:50,799 there's a difference between somebody 675 00:27:54,950 --> 00:27:52,799 who makes a mistake and somebody who's 676 00:27:56,870 --> 00:27:54,960 willfully negligent but people aren't 677 00:27:58,310 --> 00:27:56,880 going to make mistakes 678 00:28:00,710 --> 00:27:58,320 make sure that they make mistakes on 679 00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:00,720 little things that they learn from and 680 00:28:05,269 --> 00:28:03,120 that they uh when they're in charge of 681 00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:05,279 something big and it's really expensive 682 00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,799 that they've learned 683 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,559 on those smaller projects so that they 684 00:28:12,470 --> 00:28:11,200 can do well on the larger ones but uh 685 00:28:15,590 --> 00:28:12,480 you know 686 00:28:17,430 --> 00:28:15,600 be be understanding also 687 00:28:19,110 --> 00:28:17,440 i think the biggest mistake i ever made 688 00:28:22,310 --> 00:28:19,120 was telling jay honeycutt i could drink 689 00:28:23,830 --> 00:28:22,320 red wine all night long 690 00:28:29,110 --> 00:28:23,840 did you prove it 691 00:28:33,669 --> 00:28:30,789 oh that's great 692 00:28:35,510 --> 00:28:33,679 um yeah could i just jump yeah can i say 693 00:28:37,190 --> 00:28:35,520 one thing here 694 00:28:39,510 --> 00:28:37,200 so uh 695 00:28:42,470 --> 00:28:39,520 bob mentioned forest mccartney and 696 00:28:44,630 --> 00:28:42,480 forrest was still at ksc we had an 697 00:28:47,190 --> 00:28:44,640 office in a little trailer 698 00:28:48,789 --> 00:28:47,200 down at cape canaveral and 699 00:28:51,350 --> 00:28:48,799 every couple of weeks i would go down 700 00:28:53,590 --> 00:28:51,360 and have lunch with forest and 701 00:28:54,789 --> 00:28:53,600 let him tell me everything i was doing 702 00:28:56,950 --> 00:28:54,799 wrong 703 00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,960 that was always very very helpful to me 704 00:29:00,630 --> 00:28:59,279 i always really enjoyed forest 705 00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:00,640 thank you 706 00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:05,919 still bob he was it before and he is now 707 00:29:11,909 --> 00:29:08,960 so i get i get that uh same feeling uh 708 00:29:14,630 --> 00:29:11,919 but a lot a lot of support there um let 709 00:29:16,470 --> 00:29:14,640 me see so roy uh 710 00:29:18,149 --> 00:29:16,480 you are the only center director that 711 00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,159 i'm aware of that has a piece of 712 00:29:22,870 --> 00:29:20,640 infrastructure named after you 713 00:29:25,750 --> 00:29:22,880 and i'm told that when the team was 714 00:29:27,909 --> 00:29:25,760 seeking approval at the agency level to 715 00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,919 have something named after you 716 00:29:32,710 --> 00:29:29,840 they were told something to the effect 717 00:29:35,029 --> 00:29:32,720 of as long as the name ends in the word 718 00:29:36,470 --> 00:29:35,039 bridge you are approved for this so do 719 00:29:39,430 --> 00:29:36,480 you have any thoughts or comments on 720 00:29:44,789 --> 00:29:41,590 okay well you know this started out as 721 00:29:47,430 --> 00:29:44,799 somewhat of a joke um i'm at my going 722 00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,440 away party and all of a sudden jim 723 00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:49,360 kennedy who followed me as center 724 00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:52,240 director sorry i can't be here today 725 00:29:58,610 --> 00:29:56,320 announced this uh naming of the bridge 726 00:29:59,909 --> 00:29:58,620 over banana river after me 727 00:30:01,669 --> 00:29:59,919 [Music] 728 00:30:04,389 --> 00:30:01,679 and i thought it was kind of a joke but 729 00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,399 then they went out and put a sign up and 730 00:30:08,389 --> 00:30:06,159 you know 731 00:30:10,789 --> 00:30:08,399 this had a lot of people said hey i just 732 00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,799 went over your bridge 733 00:30:15,750 --> 00:30:13,679 now the amazing thing is about two weeks 734 00:30:17,830 --> 00:30:15,760 ago 735 00:30:20,070 --> 00:30:17,840 i went down to my hometown of 736 00:30:22,630 --> 00:30:20,080 gainesville georgia 737 00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:22,640 and can you imagine after more than 50 738 00:30:27,669 --> 00:30:24,960 years 739 00:30:29,029 --> 00:30:27,679 the town of gainesville georgia 740 00:30:31,830 --> 00:30:29,039 had me down 741 00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:31,840 to unveil a street sign 742 00:30:36,630 --> 00:30:34,640 so there in in georgia there's now a 743 00:30:39,269 --> 00:30:36,640 major general roy 744 00:30:41,269 --> 00:30:39,279 bridges boulevard 745 00:30:43,190 --> 00:30:41,279 it sounds like a really big street but 746 00:30:44,470 --> 00:30:43,200 it's actually a really dinky little 747 00:30:47,110 --> 00:30:44,480 street 748 00:30:50,230 --> 00:30:47,120 connecting a major thoroughfare to us to 749 00:30:52,630 --> 00:30:50,240 a georgia exploration academy which is 750 00:30:55,269 --> 00:30:52,640 kind of associated with uh 751 00:30:57,669 --> 00:30:55,279 nasa's stem program 752 00:30:59,669 --> 00:30:57,679 so yeah this is really special to me and 753 00:31:01,509 --> 00:30:59,679 i will tell you that i know it didn't 754 00:31:03,269 --> 00:31:01,519 work out for more than the first 10 755 00:31:05,590 --> 00:31:03,279 years but but 756 00:31:07,430 --> 00:31:05,600 working with cape canaveral in the air 757 00:31:09,509 --> 00:31:07,440 force 758 00:31:14,389 --> 00:31:09,519 to 759 00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,399 infrastructure both ksc and cape 760 00:31:18,630 --> 00:31:16,080 canaveral 761 00:31:20,549 --> 00:31:18,640 really was um 762 00:31:21,750 --> 00:31:20,559 amazingly 763 00:31:23,269 --> 00:31:21,760 helpful 764 00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,279 because we were going through this 765 00:31:27,990 --> 00:31:25,679 existentialist 766 00:31:31,430 --> 00:31:28,000 experience of trying to go from 2500 767 00:31:33,669 --> 00:31:31,440 people civil servants down to 1490 768 00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:33,679 in a few years and 769 00:31:37,830 --> 00:31:35,919 i needed to save our best and brightest 770 00:31:38,549 --> 00:31:37,840 for the future 771 00:31:39,830 --> 00:31:38,559 and 772 00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:39,840 you know 773 00:31:45,350 --> 00:31:42,720 managing infrastructure was not the most 774 00:31:48,070 --> 00:31:45,360 important thing for that future 775 00:31:51,190 --> 00:31:48,080 so the first day of this contract of 776 00:31:54,149 --> 00:31:51,200 bridging the river so to speak of 777 00:31:55,990 --> 00:31:54,159 ksc and cape canaveral we hired 500 778 00:31:56,789 --> 00:31:56,000 fewer people 779 00:31:59,669 --> 00:31:56,799 and 780 00:32:01,909 --> 00:31:59,679 the nasa administrator dan golden 781 00:32:03,269 --> 00:32:01,919 was so skeptical of this concept that he 782 00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:03,279 said look 783 00:32:07,830 --> 00:32:05,279 as an incentive 784 00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:07,840 if you can do this i'll let you keep all 785 00:32:13,190 --> 00:32:10,960 the money in the budget that you save 786 00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:13,200 and we saved 787 00:32:18,870 --> 00:32:16,559 over 70 million dollars over that 788 00:32:21,509 --> 00:32:18,880 excuse me that period of time 789 00:32:23,830 --> 00:32:21,519 that we're able to invest in strategic 790 00:32:24,870 --> 00:32:23,840 projects at ksc 791 00:32:27,590 --> 00:32:24,880 to 792 00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:27,600 help our people see that we 793 00:32:31,990 --> 00:32:29,360 have a future 794 00:32:34,149 --> 00:32:32,000 and we can do some great things for this 795 00:32:35,830 --> 00:32:34,159 nation 796 00:32:39,269 --> 00:32:35,840 well thank you for that and i will tell 797 00:32:41,350 --> 00:32:39,279 you the the the uh your namesake bridge 798 00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,360 the roy d bridges bridge a sign still 799 00:32:45,590 --> 00:32:43,600 there and um it it's not going to be 800 00:32:47,830 --> 00:32:45,600 small and dinky we are going to uh 801 00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,840 eventually make it a lot bigger and 802 00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:49,600 start bringing some uh 803 00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,480 payload uh payloads uh uh and heavy 804 00:32:56,310 --> 00:32:54,320 lifting things over we've been um 805 00:32:58,389 --> 00:32:56,320 talking with the uh space force about 806 00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,399 that because a number of our partners 807 00:33:02,950 --> 00:32:59,919 want to do that so we'll see it may 808 00:33:04,549 --> 00:33:02,960 become a pretty important bridge uh in 809 00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:04,559 the future 810 00:33:09,669 --> 00:33:07,679 so um let me see let me ask a question 811 00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:09,679 what's a standout moment from your 812 00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:11,760 career that makes you feel the most 813 00:33:17,269 --> 00:33:15,279 proud and jay let me start with you 814 00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,279 uh 815 00:33:21,190 --> 00:33:19,200 well as old as i am i hit a lot of them 816 00:33:23,190 --> 00:33:21,200 but um 817 00:33:25,669 --> 00:33:23,200 i think there's uh 818 00:33:27,909 --> 00:33:25,679 there's there's one thing that it's not 819 00:33:28,789 --> 00:33:27,919 very well known about the kennedy space 820 00:33:32,149 --> 00:33:28,799 center 821 00:33:33,830 --> 00:33:32,159 that's probably as important as anything 822 00:33:36,149 --> 00:33:33,840 it ever done 823 00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:36,159 it's ever done and 824 00:33:42,310 --> 00:33:39,919 and that is when when space station was 825 00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,320 was being built back in the late 826 00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,399 90s it was a mess 827 00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:46,480 and and george abbey and others out in 828 00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,840 houston were 829 00:33:53,029 --> 00:33:50,000 were trying to get the contractors all 830 00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:53,039 pulled together and and and get the 831 00:33:57,269 --> 00:33:55,760 hardware in in line to uh 832 00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,279 to meet any of the goals they couldn't 833 00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,960 get the node out of 834 00:34:01,669 --> 00:34:00,559 huntsville they couldn't get anything 835 00:34:03,669 --> 00:34:01,679 out of uh 836 00:34:04,950 --> 00:34:03,679 the people out in california so george 837 00:34:06,870 --> 00:34:04,960 called 838 00:34:08,550 --> 00:34:06,880 and uh 839 00:34:10,389 --> 00:34:08,560 and he said hey i got a lot of people 840 00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,399 out here that know this hardware but 841 00:34:13,669 --> 00:34:12,960 they only know it as a schematic 842 00:34:17,270 --> 00:34:13,679 you 843 00:34:18,149 --> 00:34:17,280 actually know hardware as hardware how 844 00:34:21,030 --> 00:34:18,159 about 845 00:34:23,430 --> 00:34:21,040 loaning me some of them and uh 846 00:34:25,109 --> 00:34:23,440 and uh let them go into these factories 847 00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:25,119 and see if they can figure out what's 848 00:34:29,669 --> 00:34:27,280 going on 849 00:34:31,990 --> 00:34:29,679 so i called tip talon over to my office 850 00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:32,000 and i made somewhat of a mistake 851 00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:34,399 i told him he had 15 first round draft 852 00:34:37,669 --> 00:34:36,480 choices 853 00:34:40,230 --> 00:34:37,679 to go 854 00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,240 pick from on the center and 855 00:34:44,950 --> 00:34:42,000 and go see if they can do that first one 856 00:34:47,750 --> 00:34:44,960 he got was bill then he got nicole scott 857 00:34:49,030 --> 00:34:47,760 scott then he got bill dowdell don 858 00:34:50,389 --> 00:34:49,040 tribal and 859 00:34:53,030 --> 00:34:50,399 and several others 860 00:34:54,790 --> 00:34:53,040 uh that that i can't remember to mention 861 00:34:56,710 --> 00:34:54,800 and they went into the 862 00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:56,720 to the factories and started pointing 863 00:34:58,950 --> 00:34:57,760 out to 864 00:35:01,510 --> 00:34:58,960 to 865 00:35:03,510 --> 00:35:01,520 office 866 00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:03,520 what what was wrong with all these 867 00:35:06,710 --> 00:35:05,440 factories and why the hardware couldn't 868 00:35:08,870 --> 00:35:06,720 get out there 869 00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:08,880 and today george abbey will tell you 870 00:35:12,790 --> 00:35:10,160 that that was 871 00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:12,800 perhaps the most significant thing that 872 00:35:16,790 --> 00:35:15,359 was able to be accomplished to get 873 00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:16,800 the space station 874 00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,160 built flown and assembled 875 00:35:23,750 --> 00:35:22,000 and people talk about that still to this 876 00:35:24,950 --> 00:35:23,760 day of uh going back to the factories 877 00:35:26,630 --> 00:35:24,960 and doing that and i know bill if you 878 00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:26,640 wanted to jump in here and talk about 879 00:35:30,069 --> 00:35:28,560 that experience i just say that he 880 00:35:32,230 --> 00:35:30,079 picked some of the well first of all 881 00:35:33,670 --> 00:35:32,240 pick and tip to lead that was the best 882 00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,680 thing he could have ever done and then 883 00:35:37,430 --> 00:35:35,280 tip when picked 884 00:35:39,270 --> 00:35:37,440 15 first round draft choices and i can 885 00:35:41,829 --> 00:35:39,280 honestly tell you that when you're 886 00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:41,839 surrounded by excellence surrounded by 887 00:35:47,829 --> 00:35:44,640 that kind of talent it's hard not to be 888 00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:47,839 successful and we we were 889 00:35:51,349 --> 00:35:49,920 we were sent out to do a job and we were 890 00:35:53,670 --> 00:35:51,359 supported 891 00:35:54,790 --> 00:35:53,680 tremendously from upper level management 892 00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:54,800 i mean 893 00:36:01,270 --> 00:35:57,200 between jay and george abbey and and all 894 00:36:03,670 --> 00:36:01,280 those folks we had complete 100 support 895 00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:03,680 and it was the reason that we were able 896 00:36:06,870 --> 00:36:05,839 to do that i'll tell you 897 00:36:09,270 --> 00:36:06,880 um 898 00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,280 we we all remember that as some of our 899 00:36:13,510 --> 00:36:11,119 biggest accomplishments that we've we 900 00:36:15,030 --> 00:36:13,520 ever had 901 00:36:17,750 --> 00:36:15,040 and and i and 902 00:36:20,950 --> 00:36:17,760 go ahead bob i'm sorry i i just got to 903 00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:20,960 say so i i remember you know that first 904 00:36:27,270 --> 00:36:24,800 flight and if you all remember the whole 905 00:36:29,349 --> 00:36:27,280 process was going to be ship and shoot 906 00:36:31,990 --> 00:36:29,359 build it ship it to ksc shoot it to 907 00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:32,000 space and it was all going to work 908 00:36:36,790 --> 00:36:34,000 and we ended up doing the mission 909 00:36:40,310 --> 00:36:36,800 essential integration test meit down to 910 00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,320 ksc and i remember working hours uh down 911 00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,480 there on the note testing that software 912 00:36:47,910 --> 00:36:44,880 finding issues that they never found in 913 00:36:50,550 --> 00:36:47,920 the testing at boeing in uh in houston 914 00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:50,560 in the software facility and i i tell 915 00:36:55,829 --> 00:36:53,280 you had we not done that mgit down at 916 00:36:57,990 --> 00:36:55,839 ksc with the folks integrating the 917 00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,000 hardware down there with the emulator 918 00:37:03,510 --> 00:37:00,400 for the ftp using the real computers and 919 00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,520 software on the node uh i'm not 920 00:37:08,550 --> 00:37:05,359 i don't think we'd have been successful 921 00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,560 and i credit what uh tiff and your team 922 00:37:14,390 --> 00:37:11,280 at ksc did uh making sure that when we 923 00:37:16,390 --> 00:37:14,400 got on orbit and we activated the iff 924 00:37:17,990 --> 00:37:16,400 i'll tell you nobody was more surprised 925 00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:18,000 to me when i sent those commands on the 926 00:37:22,150 --> 00:37:20,079 computer and everything worked exactly 927 00:37:25,910 --> 00:37:22,160 as it was supposed to it was all due to 928 00:37:27,589 --> 00:37:25,920 that meit testing at ksc 929 00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,599 still the greatest engineering feat 930 00:37:32,310 --> 00:37:30,000 putting that iss together right and 931 00:37:34,390 --> 00:37:32,320 having it all come together uh up in 932 00:37:35,750 --> 00:37:34,400 space so 933 00:37:39,030 --> 00:37:35,760 anybody else want to add anything to 934 00:37:41,270 --> 00:37:39,040 that jay yeah janet janet this is roy go 935 00:37:44,710 --> 00:37:41,280 ahead roy i just want to say that 936 00:37:45,750 --> 00:37:44,720 that i agree 100 with what's been said 937 00:37:49,430 --> 00:37:45,760 here 938 00:37:53,349 --> 00:37:49,440 but i think the success of the iss over 939 00:37:55,270 --> 00:37:53,359 its now more than 20-year lifetime 940 00:37:57,270 --> 00:37:55,280 was uh 941 00:38:00,230 --> 00:37:57,280 the meit 942 00:38:01,910 --> 00:38:00,240 and how tip talon and all of his 943 00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:01,920 superstars 944 00:38:07,349 --> 00:38:04,400 pull that together i'm 945 00:38:09,190 --> 00:38:07,359 just most impressed by that 946 00:38:11,510 --> 00:38:09,200 and i would just like to say uh one 947 00:38:12,950 --> 00:38:11,520 other thing as an organizational leader 948 00:38:15,750 --> 00:38:12,960 the other thing that i'm really 949 00:38:19,910 --> 00:38:15,760 impressed about ksc 950 00:38:24,550 --> 00:38:22,550 which came down to ksc while i was the 951 00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:24,560 center director and 952 00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,040 their their phenomenal success over the 953 00:38:30,710 --> 00:38:29,839 years to me is also one of the standouts 954 00:38:34,390 --> 00:38:30,720 of 955 00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:34,400 what ksc and its people can do thank you 956 00:38:41,030 --> 00:38:37,920 and roy i would add to that that is a 957 00:38:44,550 --> 00:38:41,040 model for how an organization a program 958 00:38:47,750 --> 00:38:44,560 can be put together and and run 959 00:38:48,790 --> 00:38:47,760 seriously the lsp program has so much to 960 00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:48,800 offer 961 00:38:53,670 --> 00:38:50,720 to the other programs that are here at 962 00:38:54,710 --> 00:38:53,680 ksc and and throughout nasa and i think 963 00:38:57,349 --> 00:38:54,720 uh 964 00:38:59,349 --> 00:38:57,359 there's some emulation that should occur 965 00:39:01,670 --> 00:38:59,359 you know they they really were the first 966 00:39:03,589 --> 00:39:01,680 commercial uh to make use of uh 967 00:39:05,750 --> 00:39:03,599 commercial uh partners and do it in a 968 00:39:07,829 --> 00:39:05,760 different uh acquire things in a 969 00:39:09,349 --> 00:39:07,839 different way and um i do believe 970 00:39:12,069 --> 00:39:09,359 they're one of the crown jewels in this 971 00:39:13,510 --> 00:39:12,079 agency and they you know as you said 972 00:39:16,390 --> 00:39:13,520 still remain so today and they're 973 00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,400 they're really world renowned as uh 974 00:39:20,790 --> 00:39:18,640 launch vehicle experts which uh make us 975 00:39:24,230 --> 00:39:20,800 uh really really proud here at uh 976 00:39:27,430 --> 00:39:25,750 all right so i'm gonna 977 00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:27,440 we've been talking about the ksc 978 00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,480 workforce 979 00:39:31,829 --> 00:39:30,079 i'm going to ask you guys what is the 980 00:39:34,390 --> 00:39:31,839 most important advice that you would 981 00:39:36,790 --> 00:39:34,400 share with our workforce today here at 982 00:39:39,270 --> 00:39:36,800 ksc and i'll start with 983 00:39:42,630 --> 00:39:40,710 well i think it's 984 00:39:44,069 --> 00:39:42,640 to share with what the workforce today 985 00:39:45,270 --> 00:39:44,079 is pretty much 986 00:39:47,190 --> 00:39:45,280 to share 987 00:39:49,190 --> 00:39:47,200 with uh 988 00:39:50,310 --> 00:39:49,200 what was shared with them all all 989 00:39:51,829 --> 00:39:50,320 through uh 990 00:39:53,510 --> 00:39:51,839 certainly through shuttle and and 991 00:39:56,230 --> 00:39:53,520 potentially through the 992 00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:56,240 days before that and that's you know do 993 00:39:59,670 --> 00:39:57,839 your work 994 00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:59,680 do it do it right 995 00:40:03,030 --> 00:40:01,440 uh remember who you're working for 996 00:40:04,710 --> 00:40:03,040 because you're because you're working 997 00:40:06,309 --> 00:40:04,720 for the people are going to be flying in 998 00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:06,319 this thing and 999 00:40:09,190 --> 00:40:07,200 your 1000 00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:09,200 every single one of you is responsible 1001 00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,760 for the success of the 1002 00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:14,000 of the mission so 1003 00:40:19,030 --> 00:40:16,160 keep your ears open your mouth shut and 1004 00:40:23,190 --> 00:40:20,390 that's a little hard in today's 1005 00:40:25,270 --> 00:40:23,200 workforce but uh i get the uh take the 1006 00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,280 point uh bill how about you 1007 00:40:29,750 --> 00:40:27,680 well you know you i think jay just said 1008 00:40:31,990 --> 00:40:29,760 it but i also think you know one of the 1009 00:40:33,670 --> 00:40:32,000 things that we have here at ksc one of 1010 00:40:34,870 --> 00:40:33,680 the things this whole workforce has is 1011 00:40:38,950 --> 00:40:34,880 integrity 1012 00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:38,960 goes over when they when they make a 1013 00:40:43,589 --> 00:40:41,119 mistake they they have to be able to 1014 00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:43,599 step up and say i made a mistake and let 1015 00:40:48,550 --> 00:40:46,720 people know and i think that that that's 1016 00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:48,560 one thing that we need to keep within 1017 00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:50,800 this workforce is that integrity of our 1018 00:40:54,069 --> 00:40:52,480 work and what we do 1019 00:40:55,750 --> 00:40:54,079 and to make sure that 1020 00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:55,760 that everyone 1021 00:40:59,430 --> 00:40:57,599 takes that seriously because that is 1022 00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:59,440 what keeps 1023 00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:00,480 those 1024 00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,280 the 1025 00:41:05,990 --> 00:41:03,280 men and women that ride in our rockets 1026 00:41:08,150 --> 00:41:06,000 safe but also ensures that we get those 1027 00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,160 multi-billion dollar satellites in space 1028 00:41:12,150 --> 00:41:09,760 properly as well so 1029 00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:12,160 again yeah it's a part of our ksc 1030 00:41:16,630 --> 00:41:14,000 culture to have that integrity and it's 1031 00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:16,640 one of the things i'm most proud of 1032 00:41:21,990 --> 00:41:19,599 let me see uh roy anything uh any advice 1033 00:41:24,790 --> 00:41:22,000 you'd give to the workforce 1034 00:41:26,950 --> 00:41:24,800 well i just want to say 1035 00:41:30,550 --> 00:41:26,960 what i always tell folks is 1036 00:41:33,030 --> 00:41:30,560 both individually as an organization 1037 00:41:36,069 --> 00:41:33,040 go for it 1038 00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:36,079 be all that you can be 1039 00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:37,760 because people 1040 00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,480 working together 1041 00:41:45,990 --> 00:41:43,440 sometimes don't realize 1042 00:41:49,270 --> 00:41:46,000 what they can rise to 1043 00:41:51,510 --> 00:41:49,280 what they can do for this nation 1044 00:41:54,150 --> 00:41:51,520 and i think over the years ksc has 1045 00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:54,160 demonstrated that over and over and 1046 00:41:58,069 --> 00:41:56,640 continue to do so today i'm so proud of 1047 00:41:59,349 --> 00:41:58,079 them 1048 00:42:04,550 --> 00:41:59,359 thank you 1049 00:42:07,190 --> 00:42:04,560 advice you'd give 1050 00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,200 well i hardly concur with uh everything 1051 00:42:11,829 --> 00:42:09,839 that everyone has said thus far i'll 1052 00:42:14,630 --> 00:42:11,839 throw in one more and it's more a 1053 00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,640 leadership thing also but i would say 1054 00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,280 uh never say no to an assignment 1055 00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:19,119 when your boss asks you to go do 1056 00:42:22,390 --> 00:42:20,960 something even if it's something that 1057 00:42:24,150 --> 00:42:22,400 you don't want to do 1058 00:42:26,950 --> 00:42:24,160 you know 1059 00:42:29,750 --> 00:42:26,960 yes sir yes ma'am and go off and do your 1060 00:42:31,670 --> 00:42:29,760 very best at it and learn from it you 1061 00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:31,680 know and i i've had a few planets i've 1062 00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:32,880 been asked to go do that i didn't 1063 00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:35,040 necessarily want to go to but i learned 1064 00:42:40,150 --> 00:42:37,520 from them and they made me better and i 1065 00:42:42,630 --> 00:42:40,160 would say don't say no when you're asked 1066 00:42:44,870 --> 00:42:42,640 to go do something rise to the occasion 1067 00:42:46,710 --> 00:42:44,880 and do your very best at it i have to i 1068 00:42:48,870 --> 00:42:46,720 have to add to that bob i i got a call 1069 00:42:51,510 --> 00:42:48,880 one time from a guy named george abby 1070 00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:51,520 and he said can you go 1071 00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:53,119 i'd like for you to go do this job at 1072 00:42:57,670 --> 00:42:54,960 the johnson space center and i said 1073 00:43:00,069 --> 00:42:57,680 george i don't want to move to houston 1074 00:43:01,910 --> 00:43:00,079 and i hung up and he said okay and i 1075 00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:01,920 hung up and then i got a 1076 00:43:05,910 --> 00:43:03,760 just minutes later i get a call from a 1077 00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,920 guy named jay honeycutt and he said i 1078 00:43:11,750 --> 00:43:08,000 don't think you understood that wasn't a 1079 00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:14,069 so i moved to the houston to houston to 1080 00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,920 work at the johnson space center for mr 1081 00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:17,440 george abbey and it was the best thing 1082 00:43:21,910 --> 00:43:20,240 that i ever did so yeah yeah getting out 1083 00:43:23,829 --> 00:43:21,920 of your comfort zone and saying saying 1084 00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:23,839 yes when maybe you don't want to uh 1085 00:43:27,910 --> 00:43:25,440 great great advice 1086 00:43:30,950 --> 00:43:27,920 so so i'm biased uh you know my my 1087 00:43:33,190 --> 00:43:30,960 favorite uh center i say this uh without 1088 00:43:35,109 --> 00:43:33,200 uh hesitation is a kenny space center i 1089 00:43:37,430 --> 00:43:35,119 love everything about it the workforce i 1090 00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,440 think it's the um not only the biggest 1091 00:43:42,390 --> 00:43:39,839 physically but uh the best but i know a 1092 00:43:45,430 --> 00:43:42,400 couple of you have um also been center 1093 00:43:46,950 --> 00:43:45,440 directors uh at other centers so uh bob 1094 00:43:49,270 --> 00:43:46,960 and roy i'm gonna put you on the spot 1095 00:43:51,109 --> 00:43:49,280 and uh ask you what's your favorite 1096 00:43:52,710 --> 00:43:51,119 center that you have been the 1097 00:43:54,550 --> 00:43:52,720 privilege of being the center director 1098 00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,560 of 1099 00:43:59,589 --> 00:43:56,880 so you said bob first i guess i gotta go 1100 00:44:02,630 --> 00:43:59,599 first so what i will say is 1101 00:44:04,470 --> 00:44:02,640 you know in my uh current position all 1102 00:44:06,950 --> 00:44:04,480 our centers play a crucial role in 1103 00:44:09,270 --> 00:44:06,960 making nasa's success oh bob you become 1104 00:44:11,030 --> 00:44:09,280 way too political you've been in dc too 1105 00:44:14,950 --> 00:44:11,040 long 1106 00:44:18,309 --> 00:44:14,960 i uh now i i gotta say i 1107 00:44:21,109 --> 00:44:18,319 i absolutely love my time at uh at ksc 1108 00:44:22,710 --> 00:44:21,119 uh the mission i love my time at stennis 1109 00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:22,720 i love my time at jsc and all the 1110 00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:25,040 centers that i've gotten to work at over 1111 00:44:29,430 --> 00:44:26,240 the years 1112 00:44:32,150 --> 00:44:29,440 tdy and so on but there's something 1113 00:44:33,990 --> 00:44:32,160 special about seeing rockets launch into 1114 00:44:35,030 --> 00:44:34,000 space and i don't care if there's humans 1115 00:44:39,270 --> 00:44:35,040 or 1116 00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:39,280 know when a rocket ship leaves planet 1117 00:44:45,990 --> 00:44:42,640 earth that is a an amazing event that is 1118 00:44:48,550 --> 00:44:46,000 emotional it's sight sound feel it it's 1119 00:44:50,630 --> 00:44:48,560 the whole ball of wax and uh being able 1120 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:50,640 to see that on a regular basis and have 1121 00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:54,160 a an integral role in making that happen 1122 00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:57,920 ksc is a a special place 1123 00:45:03,109 --> 00:44:58,880 all right 1124 00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:06,950 can you see that 1125 00:45:10,790 --> 00:45:08,710 don't forget your days living on the 1126 00:45:13,670 --> 00:45:10,800 beach and launching rockets from the ksc 1127 00:45:16,630 --> 00:45:13,680 external relations staff yes 1128 00:45:19,030 --> 00:45:16,640 that was my motto down there um 1129 00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,040 clearly uh throughout 1130 00:45:23,589 --> 00:45:20,960 across my whole career and i've been a 1131 00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,599 lot of different places uh 1132 00:45:28,309 --> 00:45:25,680 living on the beach in 1133 00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,319 cocoa beach and 1134 00:45:32,630 --> 00:45:29,920 being privileged to be the center 1135 00:45:36,069 --> 00:45:32,640 director of the ksc 1136 00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:36,079 was the very it was my very favorite 1137 00:45:40,790 --> 00:45:37,760 and i'll i'll just 1138 00:45:41,910 --> 00:45:40,800 i'll i'll just uh say echo bob's words 1139 00:45:43,990 --> 00:45:41,920 about 1140 00:45:45,910 --> 00:45:44,000 some of the thrills that you get from 1141 00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,920 from being there doing that it was 1142 00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,760 really great 1143 00:45:51,510 --> 00:45:49,920 smoking fire thank you all right one 1144 00:45:52,309 --> 00:45:51,520 last question i'm going to ask all of 1145 00:46:03,510 --> 00:45:52,319 you 1146 00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:03,520 i don't have any idea 1147 00:46:10,230 --> 00:46:05,359 i mean when you look at when you look at 1148 00:46:16,309 --> 00:46:14,390 i i don't even comprehend i mean maybe 1149 00:46:18,230 --> 00:46:16,319 maybe there's nobody down here working 1150 00:46:19,990 --> 00:46:18,240 robots are doing everything you know you 1151 00:46:22,710 --> 00:46:20,000 never 1152 00:46:25,030 --> 00:46:22,720 i i don't have enough vision to guess 1153 00:46:26,950 --> 00:46:25,040 what 60 years from now 1154 00:46:29,430 --> 00:46:26,960 it's going to be like but i do know that 1155 00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,440 if kennedy space center's got anything 1156 00:46:32,630 --> 00:46:31,520 to do with it it's going to be done just 1157 00:46:35,109 --> 00:46:32,640 right 1158 00:46:37,190 --> 00:46:35,119 and in a safe manner 1159 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:37,200 thank you bill how about you 1160 00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,760 oh my goodness um you know we always 1161 00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:41,520 seem to come full circle so i think 1162 00:46:45,990 --> 00:46:43,440 we'll go back to seeing 1163 00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:46,000 launches and landings right here at 1164 00:46:50,470 --> 00:46:48,000 kennedy and just going into space doing 1165 00:46:52,390 --> 00:46:50,480 our job and coming back right here to 1166 00:46:54,790 --> 00:46:52,400 the kennedy space center like we always 1167 00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:54,800 have and or like we did in the in the 1168 00:47:00,309 --> 00:46:58,240 past so you know maybe it's uh it's a 1169 00:47:03,510 --> 00:47:00,319 spaceport just like 1170 00:47:05,190 --> 00:47:03,520 roy bridges envisioned one day 1171 00:47:07,750 --> 00:47:05,200 uh only 1172 00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:07,760 more like uh the jetsons than i can even 1173 00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:11,920 imagine okay thank you bob 1174 00:47:17,270 --> 00:47:14,800 yeah i will second that you know it's 1175 00:47:20,549 --> 00:47:17,280 hard to predict the future but i do know 1176 00:47:23,349 --> 00:47:20,559 that the ksc team is going to play a key 1177 00:47:26,069 --> 00:47:23,359 role in keeping our nation a leader in 1178 00:47:28,790 --> 00:47:26,079 space and i'm kind of with you uh 1179 00:47:30,150 --> 00:47:28,800 i i think that uh you know we are going 1180 00:47:32,150 --> 00:47:30,160 to have the 1181 00:47:34,549 --> 00:47:32,160 the spaceport of the future where folks 1182 00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,559 are flying to and from low earth orbit 1183 00:47:40,230 --> 00:47:37,040 and beyond just like you're going into 1184 00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,240 orlando international this will be space 1185 00:47:44,549 --> 00:47:41,680 uh port 1186 00:47:46,710 --> 00:47:44,559 interstellar or whatever but i i believe 1187 00:47:48,950 --> 00:47:46,720 that kfc is going to play a key role in 1188 00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:48,960 our nation's future and it's because of 1189 00:47:53,510 --> 00:47:51,440 the people that make it the special 1190 00:47:57,349 --> 00:47:53,520 place that it is 1191 00:47:59,430 --> 00:47:57,359 thank you and uh roy 1192 00:48:02,870 --> 00:47:59,440 well let's see when i graduated from 1193 00:48:05,430 --> 00:48:02,880 high school the year was 1961 1194 00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,440 and that was the 1195 00:48:08,950 --> 00:48:07,680 year 1196 00:48:10,870 --> 00:48:08,960 when 1197 00:48:13,190 --> 00:48:10,880 the russians flew the first person in 1198 00:48:15,109 --> 00:48:13,200 space we put alan shepard up to the edge 1199 00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:15,119 of space and 1200 00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,559 president kitty announced that we're 1201 00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:18,480 going to the moon 1202 00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,200 so in these next 60 years 1203 00:48:26,230 --> 00:48:23,760 and probably come sooner than later 1204 00:48:28,710 --> 00:48:26,240 we're we'll be back to the moon 1205 00:48:31,829 --> 00:48:28,720 and on to mars 1206 00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:31,839 and ksc will be a big part of making 1207 00:48:35,270 --> 00:48:33,599 those things happen and happen 1208 00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:35,280 successfully it's going to be an 1209 00:48:39,829 --> 00:48:37,760 exciting time another golden age of our 1210 00:48:43,349 --> 00:48:39,839 space program 1211 00:48:45,670 --> 00:48:43,359 well thank you all for those answers 1212 00:48:47,910 --> 00:48:45,680 uh and let me thank all of you for 1213 00:48:50,549 --> 00:48:47,920 joining us today as we celebrate 60 1214 00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,559 years of kennedy space center i hope 1215 00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:52,480 that you've enjoyed this discussion and 1216 00:48:56,390 --> 00:48:54,079 that you're able to gain maybe a little 1217 00:48:57,670 --> 00:48:56,400 insight and maybe even your own nuggets 1218 00:48:59,829 --> 00:48:57,680 of wisdom 1219 00:49:01,990 --> 00:48:59,839 by honoring the lessons of our past we 1220 00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:02,000 are better equipped to lead the future 1221 00:49:07,380 --> 00:49:03,520 from all of us 1222 00:49:14,220 --> 00:49:07,390 thank you happy anniversary ksc 1223 00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:29,310 [Music]